1.35 Eddard IX Jul 22, 2018 22:18:48 GMT
Post by shymaid on Jul 22, 2018 22:18:48 GMT
To me it seems like Lf is on a fishing trip in this chapter, starting with this question. (Right now I'm not sure I made that point in my post... Mayhaps I need to read my own post... ) And yes, it is quite obcene!
And you do point out one contradiction in the text when it comes to Ned; it seems most think of him as a prude, but he's really not. And another example is Jory's reaction to the order of searching the brothels for this girl, if his boss frowned upon these things he'd probably not give a huge grin and almost rubbing his hands in anticipation. Sidenote: this reminds me of Ned's comment when sending his men to help keep the order during the tourney, of his men is meant to stop fights, not start them! Just love that!
I do wonder if Ned recognized it as prodding into his bastard's origin, and so this could be the easy explanation for him shutting it down at once. Can't be ignored. But as you say, the implication from LF is that Ned had his way with his sister, which also can't be ignored... After seeing this, it colored the way I read this chapter to the end; hard to unsee and all.
I might never read "prickly" the same way, ever again...
Oh, her reaction would be epic! Also, it's one of the few reaction to the view of non-Targaryen incest bastardy we get, and that might tell us something.
"I dishonored myself and I dishonored Catelyn, in the sight of gods and men." It does take another meaning when seen in this light, that's for sure!
Thanks! This chapter is brimming with potential echoes/parallells/inversions from the past with Lyanna and toj etc I almost lost my track!
It would make Ned's feelings that much stronger if this is the case. What he might have brushed off as a small mishap having huge ramifications for all involved!
Well, Robert probably wouldn't look into it any further, he's not one for digging up secrets. So any similarity he'd see in Jon - to any Stark - would probably be dismissed as familial. And he's so locked into his hatred of Rhaegar, he's not likely to be able to see anything past that in any case. His bestie banging his betrothed that is also his sister? No way!
So it's clearly others Ned fear (no pun intended) to take a peak. We see he can shut it down with Robert, he's well aware of and expecting the rumors of him and Ashara and the uglier ones we see from Cersei, and here we see him shut down LF several times. With Jon not there, he's able to manage this as few are asking questions. With Jon there, it would be all but impossible. "Someone always tells." The truth might come out, or a whole host of rumors, which could be hard to handle.
I agree that Robert might not be the threat, as I doubt he'd listen to stories like this, but even as king he's not all-powerful. Even if he didn't do anything, others might. Like we see in the last bit in this chapter. Robert might not be able to protect Ned and/or Jon, even if he wanted to. Also, if he is engulfed sordid rumors, his position (and House Stark) would be weakened. Even as a non-ambitious LP, he'd probably see the downsides of that.
Yes, it's possible. I just hate to admit it...
If Catelyn II is anything to go by, his fear seems to be mostly of the effect it would have on Jon. His arguments are that he'd be treated badly, but that doesn't hold up on scrutiny. Still, I don't get the feeling he fears that much for his physical safety, but most of all what Jon would think and feel. Maybe... It's so frustratingly hard to say!